"…uh, excuse me, Your Honor..."
Eek.
Not the best way to end your rebuttal in the 11th Circuit. It's at the 36:25 mark of this oral argument.
I really debated posting this because I actually kinda feel bad for the guy, who sounds old, was obviously embarrassed, and immediately apologized. But people are talking about it and it’s public record, so I put it up. It’s a good reminder that this kind of thing still happens even to the best and most powerful women in our profession.
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Would this be an issue if this man, who sounds very old, would have slipped with a younger man like Judge Luck and said "that's exactly right son, uh, excuse me, Your Honor"?
The mean-spiritedness of this post is amplified, not mitigated, by its closing paragraph. Morons "are talking about it ... so I put it up" is the lamest excuse for publicly embarrassing someone over a little gaffe.
I agree with 10:58. It was clearly a slip, and he corrected himself immediately, saying, "excuse me your Honor" (with what appears to be a sound consistent with an embarrassed smile). I cannot imagine Judge Rosenbaum was offended given the immediate "excuse me" that followed in the same sentence. Many lawyers are nervous or worse when appearing before a panel of judges in the circuit court and few do so regularly. Attorneys make mistakes in court all the time and here the immediate correction is more revealing than the mistake.
This would be significant only if the attorney did not correct himself or was unaware of the mistake. The headline of this post should similarly be corrected to: "Attorney makes potentially sexist remark at oral argument during response to questioning but immediately corrects himself." Yawn.
Mean-spirited? Oh please. Get over yourself. David reported on something that happened, and it's newsworthy -- the fact that judges are still dealing with this sort of thing should be discussed. What's wrong with you?
A better reminder would be if you published the repeated sexist and misogynist remarks and actions of judges.
9:19 -- send us to the link where the lawyer called a far younger Luck (or any other male judge) "son" and I'll think your equivalency may have some merit.
I still call judges "mom" sometimes.
On another note…if you need 20 pages to argue why you are right I’m not revising…you should have just recused. Signed, a lib who would like to see trump go to jail.
Do the best you can, expect to screw up, apologize early and often, and forgive.
Thank you for posting this. I wouldn't have known about it otherwise. I disagree with the commenters who say you shouldn't have posted it.
It's not that it was "wrong" to post this. It's just a nothing-burger. A nervous lawyer made a gaff during oral arguments, immediately and without prompting apologized and corrected himself, and he sounded appropriately embarrassed on the audio. This is not newsworthy.
If there is a story here at all it is that some people are so committed to finding inequities and wrongs in everything they see that they will even point to this absolute nothing of a story in alarm.
Important to highlight for exactly the reasons stated. The attorney did not merely make a mistake of lapsing into familiarity but in a sexist way. He didn't say buddy or pal or buster but sweetheart, which, it is more than reasonable to conclude, he would only have said to a woman.
Well the person who said it was mean-spirited certainly thought it was wrong to post. And that’s absurd… and also “mean.”
The debate proves the value of the post. I think it is worthy of notice of a snapshot of where lawyers, who are part of society, are at in moving past prejudice. The name was not intended to demean, but was inappropriate because it is too familiar and focused only at the judge's gender. It was immediately seen by the attorney as a mistake requiring apology, which he did. No significant harm being done, the lawyers moved forward without delay.
interesting that this codger is getting pilloried here and the misogynistic attacks on Rep. Boebert by the LEFT are proceeding unabated. have you libs no shame
@240 - huh? Who are you talking to? What are you talking about? Has anyone here ever voted for or against Boebert? Does anyone here have a talk show on cable TV? "The LEFT" - give me a break.
Go crawl back under your rock. Or better yet, don't. Go get some sunshine and stop watching Fox News or whatever other garbage is rotting your brain.
Signed,
"The MIDDLE"
I’ll bite.
Bobert is just another version of Sarah Palin. Mildly attractive and trashy, stupid, gun loving, tight skirt wearing, lacking morals, shameless, fun loving. Basically, the embodiment of the protagonist in republican men’s librarian/teacher fantasy.
Republicans do not respect women, they view them as things to be used, whether for entertainment or to fill a seat. They also view women as things to be controlled.
Most democrats tend to view women as equals, care about their merit, and elevate them to true positions of power when appropriate.
Ugh, this is 3:43 who bashed the fool over the Boebert nonsense. Now I have to take on 9:00am too, who although seemingly polite, wrote an equally stupid comment.
"Republicans do not respect women, they view them as things to be used, whether for entertainment or to fill a seat. They also view women as things to be controlled." Give me a F***ing break.
Have you ever actually met any republicans, as opposed to just hearing about them on the news? Are you aware that there are literally millions of accomplished, intelligent, and respected republican women? What do you think of Sandra Day O'Connor, for example?
You knew enough to hedge when you talked about democrats saying "most democrats tend . . ." But for republicans? Nope. They're the other team and you just painted them all with a broad brush.
Come on people, let's be better than this.
Sandra Day O'Connor would not be a republican today - she would have become a Democrat and traded parties with Bull Conner, who would have joined the bigot Republicans who make up 65% of your party.
The fact that Boebert is a Republican Congresswoman is proof of the misogyny in your party, not the opposite.
@11:05, this is 3:43/945, you say "your party" assuming that I am a republican for having the temerity to treat republicans as humans. I am not a republican. It may be time to rethink your take on politics and political parties.
As far as what Sandra Day O'Connor would or would not be today, although old and retired, you forget that she is still alive today. If she wanted to be a democrat, she could be one. But she's not.
Holy shit - she is still alive?!...damn...you win that point.
But you still are a Republican, and worse still, apparently a closeted one. It's okay, come on out and join MAGA mania.
You guys will be running the country again shortly...unless we can find somebody to replace the 'tired old man we elected king'...hey...you gave me a great idea...we should get Sandra Day to run! She can't be in worse shape than my guy.
It feels nice to have pissed off people from both crazy extreme polls of the political spectrum. I've been bored this week and did a lot of the commenting on this string. Compare 11:33's and 2:40's reactions. I feel like that's vindication that I am on the right track. Have a nice weekend.
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