Remember when Judge Pryor joked about Slate journalist Mark Joseph Stern at a recent Federalist Society convention?
Well, after that speech, Stern called up Judge Pryor and asked to interview him.
To Judge Pryor's credit, he agreed.
Here's the interesting interview.
Some of the back and forth:
In
the last couple of years, justices of the Supreme Court who are
affiliated with the Federalist Society have made appearances at
Federalist Society conventions and delivered speeches that are often
received rapturously, with standing ovations. And on the left, the view
is often: Well, these people are just applauding a fellow member of
their club who is going to help them achieve all their goals; they’re
celebrating the elevation of this person to power because they think
it’ll help them with their own personal causes. What do you make of the
impression created by justices attending these conferences and getting
this rapturous reception?
Any
group is going to have role models, individuals who a lot of members
admire. My guess is that if you went to an American Constitution Society
meeting and Justice Breyer or Justice Ginsburg had been introduced,
there would be rapturous applause there as well. I think that’s OK.
Justice Kennedy would frequently speak at the summer meeting of the
American Bar Association following a Supreme Court term and would get
that kind of reception there, as well. In our legal culture, there are a
lot of organizations of lawyers and law professors and judges where a
lot of the leadership and members have role models within the legal
culture. What’s different is that a lot of legal conservatives didn’t
have that kind of organization and didn’t have those kinds of role
models until recently.
One
difference is that six justices of the Supreme Court today have some
affiliation with the Federalist Society. And especially if you’re a
casual observer of the news, and you turn on the TV and see four of them
at this convention getting celebrated, you might think: Well, this is
just a pack of partisans who are going on the road to receive their due.
When
the six justices get a lot of applause and admiration and appreciation
from an audience of the Federalist Society because the members admire
them, and in a very broad sense, share a philosophy about the judicial
role with them—I don’t think that’s unusual at all when you compare it
to the ABA or the American Law Institute. I really think the only
difference is that it’s now a conservative legal organization that’s a
new entrant.
A group called DonorsTrust, which provides lots of dark money to conservative causes, recently gave the Federalist Society
$3.7 million. I’m curious what you would say to someone who’s skeptical
of the Federalist Society, who sees these figures and says: Well, this
is just another way to launder conservative policies through the
judiciary. This is another way of building a base of power in the courts
that will allow Republicans to impose their ideas from the bench. When
the same dark money group that’s giving funds to the Federalist Society
is also giving a ton of money to Republicans, it might raise some eyebrows.
My
understanding is the kind of donors you’re talking about tend to be
foundations. And I would say if you have a concern about it, you ought
to look at what the Federalist Society actually does with the money. And
what it does is it sponsors programs that can only fairly be termed as
educational. It’s focused on debates and discussions about contemporary
legal issues on many topics. And Federalist Society programs have a wide
variety of speakers. The panel discussions are very balanced to have a
diversity of viewpoints. I’ve had many panel discussion events where I
participated and had my biggest disagreement with a so-called
conservative on the panel. If the idea is that this money is being used
to promote a single agenda, a single idea, it seems to me it’s
phenomenally unsuccessful because the programs are just not designed
that way.
If you enjoyed that article, you should check out my podcast interview of Judge Pryor from last year, which was a lot of fun.